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For Sale or Trade / Rogue Rods
« Last post by Wompus Cat on August 17, 2021, 02:17:16 PM »
Rogue Rods   pdf as of 8/16/21
Other Old Reels / Re: Old Hard Rubber WILSON 250yd Free Spool
« Last post by Wompus Cat on July 11, 2021, 09:07:01 AM »
Thanks Fred . T!hat means a lot coming from you !
I am trying to find some old Magazine ads about this one . Midway Tommy said that Wilson changed to this Cursive logo in  the 30's .
Other Old Reels / Re: Old Hard Rubber WILSON 250yd Free Spool
« Last post by foakes on July 03, 2021, 07:02:35 AM »
Really excellent job of cleanup on that old Wilson, Henry!

You know your stuff!

Best, Fred
Other Old Reels / Re: Old Hard Rubber WILSON 250yd Free Spool
« Last post by Wompus Cat on July 02, 2021, 08:16:17 PM »
The logo  WILSON on Foot is exactly like the Wilson Sporting Goods Script on all their stuff .It was mentioned by Ted (Maxed Out) it might be a Trade Reel and I pretty much agree but WHOSE ????
It has an OCEAN CITY shape handle but Montague had one similar too . Ocean City Made a Reel Called the BRIGANTINE that was stamped on the Foot and it has similar characteristics of this one like the Frre Spool Mechanism  .The Groove marks on the Spool shaft are similar to some other old non  drag no A/R Non FREE SPOOLS unmarked reels I have .
Gona do some more diggin.  ::)
Other Old Reels / Old Hard Rubber WILSON 250yd Free Spool
« Last post by Wompus Cat on June 30, 2021, 03:26:14 PM »
Got this ol Turd off E- Bay for an Exorbitant $3.77 plus $12.88 Shipping  and was taking it apart or so I thought .....
It appears to be German Silver ,Hard Rubber Side Plates . Has the unique old fashion Lever that Moves the main Gear away from the Pinion for Free Spool.
Everything was going well till I tried to remove the Handle from the Sleeve .
It is not squared as most are where you can just remove the nut and pry it off but sits Flat on the round shaft and will not BUDGE.
So I am thinking MAYBE it is cleverly threaded left hand on the bottom threads and bottoms out before it hits the side plate but have not been successful in making anything happen .

Only two screws  on Handle side at the bottom to Foot the rest are pillars screwed in from the other side

Handle is Firmly attached to the Gear Sleeve and won't budge in or out ,back or forth ,nadda!
Wonder if it is threaded on . May to need to Heat it some how ,Def going to soak it in Penetrate.

I called Dr. Elder of ORCA Fame and discussed a bit about whether he had encountered a Reel of old that might be Left Hand Thread below  the outside Nut or if he thought this was Right Thread all the way and a few techniques of persuading
this to move in any direction.......

I tried penetrate ,Heat , VOO - DOO,WISHFUL, THINKING, TELEKINESIS then some good ol common sense and EUREKA!!

I   tightened the Free Spool Mechanism  to where it would not move in the locked position then reassembled this ol Dog
and adjusted a Vise Grip around the tightened old Braid on the Spool . Then whilst holding the Reel and Vise Grips  in one hand I used a Plastic Dead Blow to tap the Handle in both directions a bit  and then was ale to loosen the handle with a bit of effort in the counter clockwise direction and got the Handle off . 

Thanks John for your input.


Now to see what it is and clean it up .

Well I started the Cleaning and Polishing and found some interesting things in further tear down after removing the old Braid I found that he spool has Splines and the outer edges are Grooved maybe to keep the line from going in too far . It is light weight and appears to be German Silver ?

The end bearings are held in place by an additional Nut instead just the Cap

Better picture of the Grooved/Beveled Spool

Lookin better all the Time with Years of Tarnish removed

Foot came out pretty Good!

Made a Makeshift Knob  .Bet it was a Round Wooden one originally

Now to Find who ,where , and when this old Gem was made ?


« Last post by Wompus Cat on June 27, 2021, 04:13:56 PM »
Thank You Steve for that info .Most Enlightening.
Info like that is Scarce to say the least .
« Last post by Steve on June 27, 2021, 12:33:11 PM »
   In 1922, twenty-one-year-old Henry Theodore Joseph Boddeus, a Dutch assistant steward on the S.S. Pastores, jumped ship in New York City. Possibly as an alternative to deportation, he served in the U.S. Marine Corps from 1923 to at least 1928 and was stationed in Haiti and several U.S. cities, arriving in Detroit in 1928. By 1934, he lived with his Tennessee-born bride in Flint, Mich.
   Born in Alabama, Murrie C. Betts was a twenty-two-year-old machinist in Saginaw, Mich., in 1930. He was still working there at Baker Perkins, Inc., in 1941.
   After the war, Boddeus, Betts, and H.D. Betts partnered to establish Betts & Boddeus Manufacturing Co., located at 3005 Caniff St., Hamtramck, Mich., in 1946. The company made toys, one of which was a derrick for which Murrie Betts eventually received a design patent in 1950. Boddeus left the firm quickly and moved to Florida, where he died in 1947. The company was renamed Betts Manufacturing Co. and moved to 1601 Howard St., Detroit, by 1948. The spiral-cam level wind reel appeared before Boddeus left, as some reels are marked with the Betts & Boddeus name. After the change, the company refocused on sporting goods, fishing tackle, and display stands. It made both steel and fiberglass rods, and its later reels are marked “Smooth Caster Mfg. Co.” By 1959, the company moved to 20855 Telegraph Rd. in Detroit. Murrie Betts also moved to Florida by 1963, where he patented a chair-attached sunshade. He died in St. Petersburg in 1996.
ODD BALL REELS / Re: The Push Me Pull You Reel
« Last post by Steve on June 27, 2021, 12:24:19 PM »
The Defiance was just one of several H-I CFSRs based on patents of Edward Small. At least five different companies, including Ocean City, made reels based on his patents. Here is Small's story.
« Last post by Wompus Cat on June 26, 2021, 05:59:40 AM »
First off . This is a Hell of a Name for a Reel Company ain't it ?
I had never heard of this company but have communicated with them and found out they have been in business since
1998 !

Recently on alantani's  site(  a fellow Member (PackRat)started a thread on this
EATMYTACKLE   H346 Conventional Star Drag Reel which boasts of a UNIQUE TRIPPLE THRUSTER DRAG SYSTEM and after looking at his pix and thoughts on it I as well as a few others bought one to see the REEL DEAL Hands On 411 on it and found some interesting features and little things to improve on  .

The following is what I found by disassembling My BRAND NEW ONE right  out of the Box .

Here it is Together


Have it  torn down and found a Few Flaws as well as a Few ATTABOY's.
I see potential problems in future with the Plastic Frame and end plates however they are well reinforced with the Wide Bars and Metal ones plus has inner and outer Metal Rings to help as well but don't think they will fair well in prolonged sunlight over time ........

Has adjustable Bearing's in Both Side plates and Had to Tweak mine a bit to get rid of the spool rubbing on the Handle side which was making a clicking sound in Free Spool . Don't care for the plastic spacer for Drag adjustment.
The Free Spool Lever is too hard to move in my opinion an I am going to see if I can take some pressure off the springs and maybe lubricate the sliding metal pieces with a better Grease.
All of the  (Self Tapping Phillips Head screws  ) holding  the inner Rings  to the Frame were disturbingly LOOSE and some took 3 or 4  full turns to bottom out against the ring .
Nice Light Spool ,Nice Handle , Well made Gears.
Could have been Lubricated better.
Not sure about the Brake shoe disc combination drag system but it looks impressive.

Overall except for a small dent  in one of the outer Rings with the Box ,Schematic,Wrench,Custom Cover, FREE 80lb. Blueish Braid, and FREE Shipping  I think it is a pretty GOOD DEAL and Time will of course be the True Test in how this Frame and Drag Holds up for sure .

Frame Screws were loose  on Both Sides but was able to tighten and set properly
The Reel seemed to work Fine before I tore into it  but still......
And that was causing the Ticking noise before I adjusted the end play on the side plates.....

Gears and guts note the neat little Brake shoe Drag (do hickey )(Technical Term)

The Free Spool Lever is Hard to move 

I tweaked it a bit

I smoothed and polished the Rough Edges of the Clutch Slice #30 in the Schematic as they call it ......

Sharp edges filed down

Had also noticed that Drag would go from smooth to almost locked when turning Star so smoothed out Main Gear surfaces .

Put liberal amount of Grease on the plate and Free spool mechanism

I replaced the tension springs shown here with some smaller Stainless Steel springs approx the size you find in an Ink pen
The Factory ones were just too stiff in m opinion and was part of the reason the Free Spool lever was so hard to move.

Here is a closer look at the NEW DRAG system

PacRat posted the Foot and Rod Holder were METAL
So that's GOOD!

I was concerned that the Frame and side plates being plastic that the Reel might not be very strong .However after carefully looking at everything like the 2 Wide Crossbars,The Metal Foot with 3 Screws per side and the Top Metal Cross Bar you essentially have 8 Supports which overall makes it a pretty Sturdy Design.
After Tweaking this Reel a bit it is a smooth as Frogs Butt and I used a little Cal's Drag Grease on the polished Main Gear Surfaces and Inside and Bottom  Carbon Disc to acquire a Very Smooth Drag operation throughout the Range of adjustment followed with Re-tensioning the Free Spool Lever Spring and saddle Springs, Filing the Rough Edges of the Stamped piece, placing  couple of Drops of TSI oil  in end bearings the she spins  seemingly forever in Free Spool now (It spun nicely right out of the Box though too!
The Company had a Fathers Day Special with a good discount along with an additional 10 dollars off to join the mailing list accompanied with FREE SHIPPING and FREE SPOOLED line of your choice from their selection along with a Wrench ,Nice custom Fit Pouch, Schematic, and Clever  Eye Catching Packaging I would give this Reel an 7.5(and that is low because of the Loose Screws I found on the inner Rings if not for that an 8.5 ) right out of the Box and with the Tweaks it is a Full 10 and a GOOD VALUE in my opinion.
Now to fish it a while and see how it holds up .

More to follow

MORE Today June 30th 2021

 Rowdy at alantani posted the fact that the Reel Foot on these is considerably WIDER and won't Fit on a Regular Surf Rod or Casting Rod .
I had noticed that but thought nothing of it as I just happened to have a  1960's DAIWA 3229 10 Ft Casting Rod and the Reel fit right on it and the Slide Rings covered FINE.
However after reading Rowdy's post I Measured the width of a Standard Sliding Ring to be @ .58in/14.8mm and the Daiwa 3229 was .72in /18.3mm and on the Description on the EATMYTACKLE site it does elude to the Fact you need Sliding Rings however it should say you need WIDER SLIDING RINGS .
 You should use the ROD Clamp as well as the Foot on this reel is short.

Overview is

This Reel has a Short Wide Seat and is approx. 19mm or 3/4 inch and needs a Suitable Size Rod with a wider than
 14 mm 9/16ths Hood and I would recommend using the Rod Clamp that comes with the Reel.

I do not recommend to File this foot to try and make it fit other Rods .

Wanted / Re: Fenwick Eagle 8100
« Last post by nomdeplume57 on June 16, 2021, 02:52:45 PM »
You can post about ANY REEL you want here no problem .
I THINK your reel was probably made by Daiwa or one of it's subsidiaries and will probably have several other brands to interchange with .
I will check my sources and see .
Meanwhile there are several listings on E-bay for he whole reel for not much wampum... 
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